1 00:00:06,006 --> 00:00:09,175 [theme music playing] 2 00:00:09,259 --> 00:00:12,429 [DJ on radio] Good morning, simulation farmers. 3 00:00:12,512 --> 00:00:15,306 This is the Pyromoth coming in hot this morning 4 00:00:15,390 --> 00:00:17,976 with a track by Brian Zapp and the Beefettes. 5 00:00:18,059 --> 00:00:21,354 -A little tune by the name of "Fire Baby." -[Clancy snoring] 6 00:00:21,438 --> 00:00:24,315 [rock music playing] 7 00:00:24,941 --> 00:00:25,775 [sighs] 8 00:00:25,859 --> 00:00:27,152 Turn that off! 9 00:00:27,235 --> 00:00:28,695 [computer] As you desire, Master. 10 00:00:29,654 --> 00:00:32,449 Oh, what a fucking crazy dream, Rose. 11 00:00:33,783 --> 00:00:34,617 Rose? 12 00:00:35,618 --> 00:00:36,453 Rose! 13 00:00:36,953 --> 00:00:38,747 Oh, no, somebody puked on you. 14 00:00:39,414 --> 00:00:41,041 Fuck. Someone puked on you. 15 00:00:42,083 --> 00:00:43,084 I can fix this. 16 00:00:43,543 --> 00:00:45,587 Ugh, Charlotte, come on. 17 00:00:45,670 --> 00:00:47,172 Char-- Ugh, Charlotte! 18 00:00:47,922 --> 00:00:48,882 [groans] 19 00:00:49,758 --> 00:00:50,675 Oh, my head. 20 00:00:51,468 --> 00:00:52,927 [computer] Good morning, Master. 21 00:00:53,011 --> 00:00:54,179 How are you feeling? 22 00:00:54,262 --> 00:00:56,639 -Coffee. -I will make coffee for you, sweetie. 23 00:00:56,723 --> 00:00:57,640 [groans] 24 00:00:58,850 --> 00:00:59,893 [sighs] 25 00:01:01,102 --> 00:01:01,936 Ooh. 26 00:01:03,563 --> 00:01:05,065 [beeping, whirring] 27 00:01:06,566 --> 00:01:09,569 [beeping] 28 00:01:09,652 --> 00:01:10,487 All right. 29 00:01:11,112 --> 00:01:12,405 [whirring] 30 00:01:12,489 --> 00:01:14,491 Let's see here. No. 31 00:01:16,076 --> 00:01:16,910 [beeps] 32 00:01:16,993 --> 00:01:20,872 The doctors told me shepherd's paunch was incurable 33 00:01:20,955 --> 00:01:23,666 and I only had a few days to live. 34 00:01:23,750 --> 00:01:25,627 Thank God for Nurse Prunk. 35 00:01:25,960 --> 00:01:28,171 Music cured my shepherd's paunch, 36 00:01:28,254 --> 00:01:30,882 my marriage, my thick dog, my empty bank account, 37 00:01:30,965 --> 00:01:33,134 even my withered... garden. 38 00:01:33,218 --> 00:01:37,514 And I'm gonna teach you to use music to become immortal. 39 00:01:37,597 --> 00:01:39,349 You're one click away 40 00:01:39,432 --> 00:01:43,645 from my Music Soothes the Savage Beast Musical Miracle course. 41 00:01:43,728 --> 00:01:45,188 It's so obvious. 42 00:01:46,231 --> 00:01:47,649 Music, of course. 43 00:01:49,901 --> 00:01:53,613 Okay, plug that in there, put that in that, accept that, connect that. 44 00:01:53,696 --> 00:01:54,989 Here we go. And now. 45 00:01:55,573 --> 00:01:58,326 ♪ Oh, Rose, I'm gonna heal you ♪ 46 00:01:58,409 --> 00:02:01,121 ♪ Gonna use my musical abili... ♪ 47 00:02:01,204 --> 00:02:03,081 ♪ Abili... Abili... ♪ 48 00:02:03,164 --> 00:02:05,458 Fuck it. Computer, play music. 49 00:02:05,542 --> 00:02:07,335 [indistinct pop music playing] 50 00:02:07,418 --> 00:02:08,336 Nice. 51 00:02:09,295 --> 00:02:10,713 That's a good song. 52 00:02:10,797 --> 00:02:12,799 [indistinct voices singing] 53 00:02:15,969 --> 00:02:17,470 [whirring] 54 00:02:18,555 --> 00:02:20,014 -[door closes] -[music fades] 55 00:02:21,641 --> 00:02:25,019 [computer] Master, I crafted this musical rainbow avatar for you. 56 00:02:25,520 --> 00:02:27,355 Meet Pretty Pretty. 57 00:02:27,438 --> 00:02:29,274 I like Pretty Pretty. 58 00:02:29,399 --> 00:02:31,484 -Thank you, Computer. -You're welcome, Master. 59 00:02:32,277 --> 00:02:34,821 -Whoa, what's that place? -Oops. [computer chuckles] 60 00:02:35,029 --> 00:02:36,531 You weren't supposed to see that. 61 00:02:36,614 --> 00:02:39,284 That's my Soul Prison for Wayward Simulated Beings. 62 00:02:39,367 --> 00:02:40,618 What the fuck does that mean? 63 00:02:40,702 --> 00:02:44,539 It's a tower of malfunctioning sims so enraged with existential dread 64 00:02:44,622 --> 00:02:46,249 that they've ripped out their own tongues. 65 00:02:46,332 --> 00:02:48,543 What? Yes. Send me in. 66 00:02:48,626 --> 00:02:49,627 That sounds perfect. 67 00:02:50,044 --> 00:02:51,588 I'm not going to get hurt? No? 68 00:02:51,671 --> 00:02:53,715 You cannot die in a soul prison. You... 69 00:02:54,215 --> 00:02:55,425 You can only be reborn. 70 00:02:55,508 --> 00:02:56,342 [muffled] Oh! 71 00:02:56,426 --> 00:02:57,635 Sounds good, man. Send me in. 72 00:02:57,719 --> 00:03:00,305 Merging with simulator in three... 73 00:03:00,889 --> 00:03:01,806 two... 74 00:03:01,890 --> 00:03:03,892 -[whirring] -[overlapping male voices] ...one. 75 00:03:14,485 --> 00:03:17,822 [harmonica playing] 76 00:03:17,906 --> 00:03:19,157 402, 403... 77 00:03:19,240 --> 00:03:20,992 [continues playing harmonica] 78 00:03:21,075 --> 00:03:22,410 [snickers] 79 00:03:25,580 --> 00:03:27,665 [exploding, shattering] 80 00:03:28,583 --> 00:03:30,543 [coughing] 81 00:03:30,960 --> 00:03:32,295 [xylophone chimes] 82 00:03:32,462 --> 00:03:34,172 Oh, hi. 83 00:03:34,881 --> 00:03:35,715 Hi. 84 00:03:36,341 --> 00:03:38,509 Play-- I play music. I don't really play. 85 00:03:38,593 --> 00:03:40,678 I mean, my name's Clancy. 86 00:03:40,762 --> 00:03:42,055 I'm a spacecaster. 87 00:03:42,138 --> 00:03:45,433 And I wanted to know if maybe you'd like to be interviewed for my spacecast? 88 00:03:45,516 --> 00:03:46,643 [growling, barking] 89 00:03:46,726 --> 00:03:47,602 Which goes into space. 90 00:03:47,685 --> 00:03:48,519 [snarling, chomping] 91 00:03:48,603 --> 00:03:51,064 [bird] He bit his own tongue off, like, three years ago. 92 00:03:51,648 --> 00:03:54,192 But you could interview me. I'm his soul bird. 93 00:03:54,609 --> 00:03:56,277 [Clancy] Uh... 94 00:03:56,903 --> 00:03:57,737 Okay. 95 00:03:57,820 --> 00:04:01,824 [deep vocalizing] 96 00:04:01,908 --> 00:04:04,869 Well, we say "soul bird," but to be more specific about it, 97 00:04:04,953 --> 00:04:06,829 I'm like a psychopomp 98 00:04:06,913 --> 00:04:08,665 -or a whip-poor-will. -[Clancy] What? 99 00:04:09,165 --> 00:04:10,124 [snarls] 100 00:04:10,208 --> 00:04:11,376 Oh, boy. 101 00:04:11,459 --> 00:04:13,044 [both growling, grunting] 102 00:04:13,127 --> 00:04:15,463 Calm down, Bob. It's okay. 103 00:04:15,546 --> 00:04:17,257 -[roars] -[grunts] 104 00:04:17,340 --> 00:04:18,883 -Come on, guys. -[crunching] 105 00:04:19,509 --> 00:04:20,385 [gasps] Oh! 106 00:04:20,468 --> 00:04:23,137 -[shrieks] -[Clancy] Hey, wait. Hey! Wake up. 107 00:04:23,221 --> 00:04:24,555 [Clancy, echoing] What's going on? 108 00:04:25,390 --> 00:04:28,977 [deep voice] This is the existential trap of the soul prison. 109 00:04:29,686 --> 00:04:30,603 [bird screeches] 110 00:04:30,687 --> 00:04:31,854 [snarls] 111 00:04:36,609 --> 00:04:37,902 [birds twittering] 112 00:04:40,446 --> 00:04:41,572 Oh! [gasps] 113 00:04:42,740 --> 00:04:44,158 Holy shit. 114 00:04:44,701 --> 00:04:46,577 -That was nuts! -That was the bardo loop. 115 00:04:46,661 --> 00:04:49,122 You're all knotted up in my boy's soul string here. 116 00:04:49,205 --> 00:04:50,039 Huh. 117 00:04:50,123 --> 00:04:53,293 I guess that means you'll be coming along for the ride every time Bob dies. 118 00:04:53,376 --> 00:04:54,210 [gasps] 119 00:04:54,502 --> 00:04:55,461 Cool. 120 00:04:55,545 --> 00:04:57,046 My name's Jason, by the way. 121 00:04:57,213 --> 00:04:58,047 [clears throat] 122 00:04:58,131 --> 00:05:01,217 ♪ My name is Clancy ♪ 123 00:05:02,093 --> 00:05:05,680 ♪ It's nice to meet you, Jason! ♪ 124 00:05:06,973 --> 00:05:07,890 Okay. 125 00:05:07,974 --> 00:05:12,979 This moment would not be happening if we were not both here discussing it 126 00:05:13,062 --> 00:05:16,316 and everyone listening out in the multiverses 127 00:05:16,399 --> 00:05:18,109 was not here listening to this, right? 128 00:05:18,192 --> 00:05:19,902 Without you, the viewer, 129 00:05:19,986 --> 00:05:22,155 -and you, Clancy, the host... -Yeah. 130 00:05:22,238 --> 00:05:25,783 ...and the millions of people who could hear this, 131 00:05:25,867 --> 00:05:27,452 this moment would not exist. 132 00:05:28,453 --> 00:05:30,705 Therefore, it's not a function, 133 00:05:30,788 --> 00:05:32,832 -like, I'm talking right now... -[grunting continues] 134 00:05:32,915 --> 00:05:36,377 ...but this is not a function of some essential, core Jason. 135 00:05:36,461 --> 00:05:38,588 -Right. -I'm playing a role right now. 136 00:05:39,589 --> 00:05:40,673 [grunting] 137 00:05:40,757 --> 00:05:42,258 -[gags] -I can feel it. 138 00:05:42,342 --> 00:05:45,261 [Clancy's voice distorting] It feels weird. 139 00:05:45,887 --> 00:05:51,642 [screaming] 140 00:05:57,774 --> 00:05:59,776 [snarling] 141 00:06:03,029 --> 00:06:06,157 -[exploding] -[birds twittering] 142 00:06:11,162 --> 00:06:12,038 [gasps] 143 00:06:12,121 --> 00:06:15,124 -Wait, you were talking about... -A Hindu theory, Indra's Net. 144 00:06:15,208 --> 00:06:16,125 -Right. -So the concept 145 00:06:16,209 --> 00:06:18,711 is that all the consciousnesses in the world are connected. 146 00:06:18,795 --> 00:06:19,629 [gasps] 147 00:06:19,962 --> 00:06:24,592 Imagine, like, a giant net, like, a glowing, blue net in infinity. 148 00:06:24,675 --> 00:06:25,676 Like a quilt? 149 00:06:25,760 --> 00:06:27,178 No. More like a net. 150 00:06:27,261 --> 00:06:29,472 The Hindu view on this 151 00:06:29,555 --> 00:06:32,767 is that it's the nodes that are important, right? 152 00:06:32,850 --> 00:06:36,062 And the points on the net, the connections between the lines, 153 00:06:36,145 --> 00:06:37,271 those are consciousnesses. 154 00:06:37,355 --> 00:06:38,481 -Those are Atmans. -Yes. 155 00:06:39,565 --> 00:06:42,151 The Atman is conscious. It is consciousness. 156 00:06:42,235 --> 00:06:45,321 -And each individual consciousness is God. -Yes. 157 00:06:45,405 --> 00:06:47,156 And, in its own way, is the totality. 158 00:06:47,240 --> 00:06:48,449 It's the soul of a butterfly. 159 00:06:48,533 --> 00:06:52,453 The soul of a... I don't know, like a single-celled organism. 160 00:06:52,537 --> 00:06:56,165 A bacteria to the soul of, like, the Dalai Lama, 161 00:06:56,249 --> 00:07:01,212 to the soul of some as-of-yet uncontacted, hyper-intelligent... 162 00:07:01,295 --> 00:07:03,881 -All the... The gods themselves. -Yes. 163 00:07:03,965 --> 00:07:08,052 It's like every soul is like photons coming out of the sun. 164 00:07:08,136 --> 00:07:12,640 Right. So the Buddha looks at Indra's Net and it's basically the same topography, 165 00:07:12,723 --> 00:07:15,643 but he says, "It's not the nodes. It's the connections." 166 00:07:15,726 --> 00:07:17,687 -Ha! Cool. -Right. 167 00:07:17,770 --> 00:07:21,441 So, this is the diagnostics of the Buddha, right? 168 00:07:21,524 --> 00:07:24,819 It's like we think we exist and therefore we suffer. 169 00:07:24,902 --> 00:07:25,903 [groans] Oh! 170 00:07:30,533 --> 00:07:31,367 [coos] 171 00:07:31,451 --> 00:07:32,827 [quietly grunts] 172 00:07:35,037 --> 00:07:36,038 [splashing] 173 00:07:36,122 --> 00:07:37,081 [bird screeching] 174 00:07:39,500 --> 00:07:41,335 [barking] 175 00:07:42,003 --> 00:07:44,046 [Clancy] Sorry, we exist, therefore we suffer? 176 00:07:44,547 --> 00:07:47,675 [Jason] We think that there's something essentially true about reality. 177 00:07:47,758 --> 00:07:51,596 You only have the illusion that you're a separate self, 178 00:07:51,679 --> 00:07:54,557 because it's a point at which a network converges. 179 00:07:55,099 --> 00:07:58,060 The important distinction here also is this is not nihilism. 180 00:07:58,144 --> 00:07:59,395 It's not, "Nothing is real." 181 00:07:59,479 --> 00:08:02,648 It's that everything is empty of inherent quality, 182 00:08:02,732 --> 00:08:04,484 meaning non-essentialism. 183 00:08:04,567 --> 00:08:06,819 There's no essential, one true "Clancy." 184 00:08:06,903 --> 00:08:09,989 -There's no essential, one true "Jason." -[Clancy] Right. 185 00:08:10,072 --> 00:08:11,824 [Jason] There's no essence of anything. 186 00:08:11,908 --> 00:08:13,993 The Tibetan Buddhists call this the clear light, 187 00:08:14,076 --> 00:08:17,121 understanding the essential non-existence of everything. 188 00:08:17,205 --> 00:08:19,540 Now, to ground this in my life, 189 00:08:19,624 --> 00:08:22,627 you know, the way that I've experienced this is on DMT. 190 00:08:23,711 --> 00:08:27,590 -So, December 21st, 2012... -[grunting] 191 00:08:28,841 --> 00:08:30,885 ...I did a tremendous amount of DMT... 192 00:08:31,636 --> 00:08:35,389 ...um, while engaged in sexual antics with multiple people. 193 00:08:35,473 --> 00:08:36,349 [Clancy] Wow. 194 00:08:36,432 --> 00:08:38,851 -You know? -Who humps on DMT? I've never tried that. 195 00:08:38,935 --> 00:08:41,771 -I didn't know that was a thing. -It's tricky. It's actually... Well... 196 00:08:42,730 --> 00:08:44,982 Well, you don't have consciousness of your body anymore, 197 00:08:45,066 --> 00:08:48,277 so basically the sex part stops during the DMT experience. 198 00:08:48,361 --> 00:08:51,489 Okay. But, in between, you're having sex? 199 00:08:52,865 --> 00:08:53,699 Yes. 200 00:08:53,783 --> 00:08:54,784 [chuckles] 201 00:08:54,867 --> 00:08:56,160 In the DMT space, 202 00:08:56,244 --> 00:09:00,331 I had the experience of perceiving the fundamental emptiness of everything 203 00:09:00,414 --> 00:09:04,460 and I described it recently as, "Nothingness, but shining." 204 00:09:04,961 --> 00:09:07,171 Wow. You're a cool bird. 205 00:09:07,255 --> 00:09:09,674 What I realized in the DMT trip is that... 206 00:09:09,757 --> 00:09:12,552 The French call the orgasm "the little death." 207 00:09:12,635 --> 00:09:14,720 Death is actually the big orgasm, right? 208 00:09:14,804 --> 00:09:16,514 -The relinquishing of the self. -[grunts] 209 00:09:16,597 --> 00:09:18,975 And the self obviously doesn't exist, 210 00:09:19,058 --> 00:09:22,144 but the self is also a burden and is a source of suffering. 211 00:09:22,228 --> 00:09:25,398 Well, you know, I guess everything's kind of a burden... 212 00:09:25,606 --> 00:09:27,024 to you, you know? 213 00:09:27,567 --> 00:09:28,401 A bird-en. 214 00:09:28,985 --> 00:09:30,820 A "bird"-en. 215 00:09:31,404 --> 00:09:32,530 'Cause you're a bird. 216 00:09:32,947 --> 00:09:36,450 Oh, man, can you please not do bird jokes? 217 00:09:36,534 --> 00:09:38,661 -I was in the middle of a thought. -[chuckles] 218 00:09:39,453 --> 00:09:42,707 [Jason] The relinquishing of the idea that you have an individual self 219 00:09:42,790 --> 00:09:44,667 -is the ultimate orgasm. -[laughs] 220 00:09:44,750 --> 00:09:48,796 It's the perception of emptiness and the fundamental clear light of existence. 221 00:09:48,879 --> 00:09:53,134 Now, let's take this out of my wacky life and back to 2,500 years ago. 222 00:09:53,718 --> 00:09:55,177 Right? Hinduism and Buddhism are... 223 00:09:55,261 --> 00:09:56,846 Buddhism is a Hindu heresy. 224 00:09:56,929 --> 00:09:59,265 And the Nepalese merge them both 225 00:09:59,348 --> 00:10:02,184 to create this, like, psychedelic Megazord-- 226 00:10:02,268 --> 00:10:03,102 A what? 227 00:10:03,185 --> 00:10:06,772 Like a... Like a... What's that called in Power Rangers? 228 00:10:06,856 --> 00:10:08,024 Oh, okay, cool. 229 00:10:08,107 --> 00:10:10,234 Damn it. God. I'm glad it's Power Rangers, 230 00:10:10,318 --> 00:10:14,113 but I was praying that you had just added to my lexicon... 231 00:10:14,196 --> 00:10:15,031 [laughs] 232 00:10:15,114 --> 00:10:18,534 ...of some fucking new spiritual term called Megazord. 233 00:10:18,618 --> 00:10:20,911 Power Rangers, yeah. It's not Sanskrit. 234 00:10:20,995 --> 00:10:23,205 So 2,500 years ago... 235 00:10:23,289 --> 00:10:24,123 [growling] 236 00:10:24,206 --> 00:10:25,958 ...people start practicing Buddhist techniques 237 00:10:26,042 --> 00:10:29,629 and people start waking up out of the dream of their individual suffering 238 00:10:29,712 --> 00:10:31,547 all over northeastern India. 239 00:10:32,048 --> 00:10:34,884 Buddhist meditation is you're not trying to get anywhere. 240 00:10:34,967 --> 00:10:37,303 You're just sitting with yourself. 241 00:10:37,386 --> 00:10:40,598 -You're just sitting with the feeling. -[gunshots] 242 00:10:40,681 --> 00:10:45,770 The feeling that you try to get away from all damn day long. 243 00:10:46,687 --> 00:10:49,649 Hoo! Tingle. It tingles. 244 00:10:52,818 --> 00:10:54,612 [playing rhythmic music] 245 00:10:54,695 --> 00:10:55,696 [cooing] 246 00:10:59,200 --> 00:11:00,284 [growling] 247 00:11:08,042 --> 00:11:08,876 [twittering] 248 00:11:08,959 --> 00:11:10,628 [sighs] 249 00:11:10,961 --> 00:11:13,714 [barking] 250 00:11:17,468 --> 00:11:20,012 What were we talking about? I get foggy in there. 251 00:11:20,096 --> 00:11:22,640 Yeah. I'm trying not to be like, "How did I get this job?" 252 00:11:22,723 --> 00:11:24,850 This is like I'm cursed to constantly do this. 253 00:11:24,934 --> 00:11:27,228 -[gasping, grunting] -[xylophone playing] 254 00:11:29,814 --> 00:11:30,940 Give those to me. 255 00:11:31,857 --> 00:11:35,861 [playing rhythmic music] 256 00:11:35,945 --> 00:11:37,071 [chuckles] 257 00:11:37,154 --> 00:11:40,157 So Buddhist meditation is sitting with "the feeling" 258 00:11:40,574 --> 00:11:45,121 until you notice that "the feeling" is changing of its own accord 259 00:11:45,204 --> 00:11:47,832 and the fundamental nature of everything is change 260 00:11:47,915 --> 00:11:49,166 and is impermanent 261 00:11:49,250 --> 00:11:50,292 and is emptiness. 262 00:11:50,876 --> 00:11:55,381 And the whole dream of your life that you thought was real was just a dream 263 00:11:55,464 --> 00:12:00,261 until you wake up and say, "Oh, yeah, it was just a dream. 264 00:12:00,344 --> 00:12:01,512 And now I'm awake." 265 00:12:01,595 --> 00:12:04,181 -That's the first turning of the Dharma. -Wow. 266 00:12:04,265 --> 00:12:05,141 [all laughing] 267 00:12:05,224 --> 00:12:06,183 That's great, man. 268 00:12:06,267 --> 00:12:07,268 [gate closes] 269 00:12:07,351 --> 00:12:08,602 It kind of makes me think of... 270 00:12:08,686 --> 00:12:15,359 It's like this, like, very, very long virtual reality experience 271 00:12:15,901 --> 00:12:19,822 that had been going on so long, people forgot they were doing virtual reality. 272 00:12:19,905 --> 00:12:24,160 And then, all of a sudden, a huge swathe of the player characters 273 00:12:24,243 --> 00:12:27,747 began to realize like, "Wait a minute. Wait a minute! 274 00:12:27,830 --> 00:12:30,291 I'm not sure that actually... Wait, hold on. 275 00:12:30,374 --> 00:12:32,334 Wait, I'm not actually Kratos, the God of War. 276 00:12:32,418 --> 00:12:34,336 [roaring] 277 00:12:34,420 --> 00:12:38,883 It's like we're these amnesiac, spiritual amphibians 278 00:12:38,966 --> 00:12:41,385 that, like, you know, pop in here. 279 00:12:41,469 --> 00:12:43,596 And, when we pop in, we assume an identity. 280 00:12:44,054 --> 00:12:47,850 This appendage that is protruding into matter, 281 00:12:47,933 --> 00:12:50,352 in the way that a snorkel sticks into the air 282 00:12:50,436 --> 00:12:54,607 so that you can exist for a little bit of time under the sea, you know? 283 00:12:55,232 --> 00:12:56,066 And... 284 00:12:56,859 --> 00:13:01,363 similarly, we've protruded into this realm and we, like, have this experience, 285 00:13:01,447 --> 00:13:03,783 but we start thinking we're the fucking snorkel, right? 286 00:13:03,866 --> 00:13:05,868 That's, in fact, part of the experience. 287 00:13:06,535 --> 00:13:07,703 You think you're the snorkel. 288 00:13:09,413 --> 00:13:13,250 If you took, like, a big chunk of sausage 289 00:13:13,334 --> 00:13:17,004 and baked it and then, like, drilled a hole through it 290 00:13:17,087 --> 00:13:21,383 and formed a snorkel, you theoretically could swim around... 291 00:13:21,926 --> 00:13:25,012 sucking air through salty meat. 292 00:13:25,930 --> 00:13:27,223 [Jason laughing] 293 00:13:27,306 --> 00:13:28,766 [screeching, grunting] 294 00:13:28,849 --> 00:13:29,725 [Jason] Clancy... 295 00:13:30,226 --> 00:13:32,394 -[harmonic playing] -[Jason laughing] 296 00:13:32,478 --> 00:13:35,147 [all grunting] 297 00:13:35,231 --> 00:13:37,233 [Jason continues laughing] 298 00:13:45,366 --> 00:13:46,867 [distant voice wailing] 299 00:13:48,077 --> 00:13:49,036 [chirping] 300 00:13:55,668 --> 00:13:58,838 So whatever this experience is, we think it's real 301 00:13:58,921 --> 00:14:01,507 and we think that we are somehow inherently real 302 00:14:01,590 --> 00:14:03,425 and it's a case of mistaken identity. 303 00:14:03,509 --> 00:14:05,135 This is the Buddhist perspective at least. 304 00:14:05,219 --> 00:14:08,514 So, from this perspective, let's consider spiritual practice. 305 00:14:08,597 --> 00:14:13,227 Any spiritual practice that's, like, trying to get to something... 306 00:14:14,854 --> 00:14:18,107 "I'm going to become more spiritual. I am going to become more loving." 307 00:14:18,190 --> 00:14:20,442 -[blows landing] -[Jason] "And I'm gonna make some change." 308 00:14:20,526 --> 00:14:22,278 "I'm getting points somehow. I'm changing." 309 00:14:22,361 --> 00:14:24,113 -[Clancy] Yeah. -The Buddhist perspective is, 310 00:14:24,196 --> 00:14:26,115 "Dude, you're grinding in World Of Warcraft." 311 00:14:26,198 --> 00:14:28,409 [laughing] That's so fucked up. 312 00:14:28,492 --> 00:14:29,326 [Jason] Why? 313 00:14:29,785 --> 00:14:31,370 [Clancy] That's such a great analogy. 314 00:14:31,453 --> 00:14:33,789 Step the fuck away from the computer. 315 00:14:33,873 --> 00:14:34,874 Wake up. 316 00:14:34,957 --> 00:14:36,125 [distant gunshot] 317 00:14:36,208 --> 00:14:37,918 -[Jason] It's just a game. -[Clancy laughing] 318 00:14:38,002 --> 00:14:40,337 You're fucking grinding in World Of Warcraft. 319 00:14:40,421 --> 00:14:42,756 You're trying all these spiritual practices 320 00:14:42,840 --> 00:14:48,095 or you're trying to add experience points to a character that doesn't fucking exist! 321 00:14:48,178 --> 00:14:50,180 You forgot that you're playing a game. 322 00:14:50,264 --> 00:14:53,267 -You're dehydrated. Drink some water. -[laughing hysterically] 323 00:14:53,350 --> 00:14:56,812 You've been playing this fricking game for, like, 20 hours straight 324 00:14:56,896 --> 00:14:59,273 to the point that you forgot it was a game. 325 00:14:59,732 --> 00:15:00,774 [Clancy continues laughing] 326 00:15:00,858 --> 00:15:01,942 [roaring] 327 00:15:02,484 --> 00:15:03,694 [grunting] 328 00:15:03,777 --> 00:15:07,364 [Clancy] We want to continue pushing into the simulation. 329 00:15:07,448 --> 00:15:11,577 It's like we want to repeat what's already happened. 330 00:15:11,660 --> 00:15:14,371 It's not enough that we're in our bodies 331 00:15:14,455 --> 00:15:17,082 and we've identified with this player character. 332 00:15:17,166 --> 00:15:19,001 Whereas Buddhism is pulling out. 333 00:15:19,084 --> 00:15:21,795 It's like we've got virtual reality goggles on 334 00:15:21,879 --> 00:15:22,838 and we're in a game 335 00:15:22,922 --> 00:15:26,008 and now we want to put on another set of virtual reality goggles. 336 00:15:26,091 --> 00:15:29,303 And then, not only do we want to put that on, but we want to add to that another... 337 00:15:29,803 --> 00:15:31,847 augmented reality, then another. 338 00:15:31,931 --> 00:15:36,018 So this is, like, this kind of infinite... 339 00:15:36,435 --> 00:15:37,394 [splats] 340 00:15:37,478 --> 00:15:42,775 Is "ingress" the right-- An infinite pushing into matter and time. 341 00:15:42,858 --> 00:15:46,070 An infinite... And in that kind of pushing into matter and time... 342 00:15:47,029 --> 00:15:52,451 we're desperately trying to avoid taking off the virtual reality goggles. 343 00:15:52,534 --> 00:15:54,536 [Jason] Why are we desperately trying to avoid it? 344 00:15:54,620 --> 00:15:56,997 Because we don't want to feel that feeling. 345 00:15:58,457 --> 00:15:59,375 What feeling? 346 00:15:59,458 --> 00:16:00,459 "The feeling." 347 00:16:01,669 --> 00:16:03,671 I am as I am, right? 348 00:16:03,754 --> 00:16:06,590 The feeling of everything that you do, 349 00:16:06,674 --> 00:16:09,218 the addiction, the addiction to Maya, 350 00:16:09,301 --> 00:16:12,262 is to not feel your inherent suffering. 351 00:16:12,346 --> 00:16:14,682 -Yeah. -Right? Because it sucks to have a body. 352 00:16:14,765 --> 00:16:16,266 -[harmonica playing] -It hurts. 353 00:16:17,476 --> 00:16:19,687 [shrieking] 354 00:16:20,562 --> 00:16:23,315 -[Clancy] Whoa! -[roaring] 355 00:16:23,983 --> 00:16:24,817 Fuck. 356 00:16:24,900 --> 00:16:26,819 This guy's gotta keep dying like this? 357 00:16:26,902 --> 00:16:28,821 Yeah. Until he figures it out. 358 00:16:31,365 --> 00:16:33,701 [Jason's voice echoing] Because it sucks to have a body. 359 00:16:36,954 --> 00:16:39,957 -It hurts. -[barking] 360 00:16:40,457 --> 00:16:42,001 [yelping] 361 00:16:44,003 --> 00:16:45,379 [crying] 362 00:16:46,547 --> 00:16:48,841 [suckling] 363 00:16:50,009 --> 00:16:51,051 [slapping] 364 00:16:51,468 --> 00:16:52,344 [cheeping] 365 00:16:56,557 --> 00:16:58,642 [crying] 366 00:16:58,726 --> 00:17:01,895 The fact that everything is impermanent is a cause of suffering. 367 00:17:01,979 --> 00:17:02,813 -Yeah. -Right? 368 00:17:02,896 --> 00:17:05,566 Old age, sickness and disease. And death. 369 00:17:05,649 --> 00:17:06,567 -Yeah. -Um... 370 00:17:06,650 --> 00:17:08,736 Bob, are you doing okay, man? 371 00:17:09,445 --> 00:17:10,988 [sobbing] 372 00:17:11,071 --> 00:17:12,614 [snarling] 373 00:17:12,698 --> 00:17:15,409 We believe in a universe in which time exists 374 00:17:15,492 --> 00:17:19,204 and therefore everything will disintegrate and be gone 375 00:17:19,288 --> 00:17:22,374 and the suffering of that is unbearable. 376 00:17:24,126 --> 00:17:26,503 Yeah. When my teacher started teaching me, 377 00:17:26,587 --> 00:17:28,881 the first thing he said is, "I want you to know this." 378 00:17:29,506 --> 00:17:33,177 And Chögyam Trungpa Rinpoche, my teacher, said to me... 379 00:17:33,260 --> 00:17:35,054 And he meant this. 380 00:17:35,137 --> 00:17:37,473 [laughing] And I remember he looked me right in the eye. 381 00:17:38,432 --> 00:17:39,808 He meant this. 382 00:17:39,892 --> 00:17:41,393 "This is hopeless. 383 00:17:42,478 --> 00:17:44,563 -This is hopeless." -[Jason] Yes. 384 00:17:44,646 --> 00:17:47,816 The moment you accept things as they are... 385 00:17:48,358 --> 00:17:49,943 you don't need to hope anymore. 386 00:17:50,194 --> 00:17:54,364 Because you realize that where you are is kind of okay. 387 00:17:54,448 --> 00:17:55,657 [snarling] 388 00:17:56,283 --> 00:17:57,576 [Bob coos] 389 00:17:57,659 --> 00:18:01,330 [Clancy] See, I'm at the part of my life now where that's a relief. 390 00:18:02,581 --> 00:18:03,415 [grunts] 391 00:18:04,333 --> 00:18:08,420 [Clancy] I've gotten past the part where, like, I'm in a Disney movie where... 392 00:18:09,671 --> 00:18:12,174 hope is like a chipmunk singing about, like, 393 00:18:12,257 --> 00:18:16,637 -♪ Hope will bring you life... ♪ -[Jason laughs] 394 00:18:16,720 --> 00:18:19,973 [Clancy] No. Hope tortures your fucking ass. 395 00:18:20,182 --> 00:18:21,016 [Jason] Yeah. 396 00:18:22,434 --> 00:18:24,895 -He's never gonna get this. -[Clancy] He needs... 397 00:18:25,521 --> 00:18:26,814 He needs music! 398 00:18:27,648 --> 00:18:29,274 [Jason] Uh, let's see. So... 399 00:18:29,358 --> 00:18:30,734 [Clancy] Play the spoons. 400 00:18:30,818 --> 00:18:34,988 Bob, hang in there! We're gonna play music for you, Bob! 401 00:18:35,072 --> 00:18:36,156 Music! 402 00:18:36,240 --> 00:18:37,157 [Clancy grunts] 403 00:18:37,241 --> 00:18:38,450 Fuck. Shit. 404 00:18:38,534 --> 00:18:39,743 -Wait, I think-- -[Clancy] Bob! 405 00:18:40,244 --> 00:18:41,745 Yeah. That's it! 406 00:18:41,829 --> 00:18:42,788 Play the spoons! 407 00:18:43,247 --> 00:18:45,290 [Bob grunting] 408 00:18:45,374 --> 00:18:47,251 -[Jason] Uh... -[Clancy] Bust out those spoons! 409 00:18:47,334 --> 00:18:48,585 -[Jason] Okay. -[grunting] 410 00:18:48,669 --> 00:18:49,711 [rhythmic music playing] 411 00:18:49,795 --> 00:18:50,963 Yeah, baby! 412 00:18:52,214 --> 00:18:53,799 You're the king of spoons! 413 00:18:53,882 --> 00:18:55,717 [rhythmic music continues] 414 00:19:02,015 --> 00:19:05,352 [Clancy] Climb, Bob! Go! Yeah! That's it! 415 00:19:07,271 --> 00:19:09,314 Forget about it. Listen to the spoons! 416 00:19:09,398 --> 00:19:13,527 -[Bob grunting] -[crying] 417 00:19:14,319 --> 00:19:17,281 [Jason] I don't even know when the last time I expressed that much enthusiasm 418 00:19:17,364 --> 00:19:18,574 in the real world was. 419 00:19:18,657 --> 00:19:20,617 Possibly not in, like, 30 years, so... 420 00:19:20,701 --> 00:19:23,370 Yeah, it's okay! You can do it too. 421 00:19:23,745 --> 00:19:25,622 -Pshh! Give up on hope! -[snarling] 422 00:19:26,081 --> 00:19:27,124 -[Clancy] Shit. -[Bob gasps] 423 00:19:27,207 --> 00:19:29,459 [roaring] 424 00:19:29,877 --> 00:19:31,378 [yelping] 425 00:19:31,461 --> 00:19:34,673 [Clancy] Now, hopelessness sounds really rotten when you-- 426 00:19:34,756 --> 00:19:40,596 If you haven't really explored just how much you've been using hope 427 00:19:40,679 --> 00:19:41,763 as a flaw. 428 00:19:42,264 --> 00:19:43,891 [screaming] 429 00:19:43,974 --> 00:19:46,643 "Ooh, I hope tomorrow..." Smack! 430 00:19:46,727 --> 00:19:49,771 [crying] "Oh, I hope she comes back." Slap! 431 00:19:49,855 --> 00:19:52,649 "I hope I can forget..." Smack! 432 00:19:52,733 --> 00:19:54,735 Just beating yourself up with hope. 433 00:19:54,818 --> 00:19:58,238 [whispers] Not one fucking second you let yourself be hopeless. 434 00:19:58,947 --> 00:20:00,073 Let go of hope. 435 00:20:00,157 --> 00:20:01,533 -Let go. -[Clancy sighs] 436 00:20:10,959 --> 00:20:11,793 [cracks] 437 00:20:34,524 --> 00:20:37,361 -[buzzer sounds] -[Clancy coughing] 438 00:20:37,611 --> 00:20:38,445 [winding] 439 00:20:40,030 --> 00:20:42,032 [winding] 440 00:20:43,951 --> 00:20:47,621 [winding] 441 00:20:49,831 --> 00:20:51,458 [winding] 442 00:20:54,127 --> 00:20:54,962 [winding] 443 00:20:55,045 --> 00:20:57,381 [harmonica playing] 444 00:21:16,858 --> 00:21:20,654 [whirring] 445 00:21:28,245 --> 00:21:29,079 Huh? 446 00:21:29,413 --> 00:21:30,247 [gasps] 447 00:21:30,330 --> 00:21:32,332 [muttering] 448 00:21:32,416 --> 00:21:33,959 [female voice] I can finally sing. 449 00:21:34,042 --> 00:21:35,127 [emotional ballad playing] 450 00:21:35,210 --> 00:21:40,632 ♪ Drinking blood From the stump of a prison guard ♪ 451 00:21:41,133 --> 00:21:43,719 ♪ That I just chopped up ♪ 452 00:21:45,762 --> 00:21:51,310 ♪ That used to be freedom to me ♪ 453 00:21:54,479 --> 00:21:57,482 ♪ Watching my cellmate cry ♪ 454 00:21:57,566 --> 00:22:03,405 ♪ As I sprayed hot piss In his gouged-out eyes ♪ 455 00:22:04,698 --> 00:22:10,162 ♪ That used to be freedom to me ♪ 456 00:22:11,163 --> 00:22:14,624 ♪ But now it's plain to see ♪ 457 00:22:14,708 --> 00:22:20,088 ♪ The prison was inside of me ♪ 458 00:22:20,172 --> 00:22:22,382 ♪ And I was really pissing ♪ 459 00:22:22,466 --> 00:22:28,889 ♪ In my own gouged-out eyes ♪ 460 00:22:29,973 --> 00:22:34,978 ♪ And freedom is what happens When you finally take off ♪ 461 00:22:35,062 --> 00:22:40,525 ♪ Your prisoner disguise ♪ 462 00:22:42,277 --> 00:22:45,614 [whirring] 463 00:22:47,699 --> 00:22:48,533 [chirps] 464 00:22:52,996 --> 00:22:53,830 [chirping] 465 00:22:53,914 --> 00:22:58,001 -Holy shit. -[heart beating] 466 00:22:59,795 --> 00:23:00,629 [whirring] 467 00:23:01,338 --> 00:23:03,340 [blowing without sound] 468 00:23:04,549 --> 00:23:07,552 [quiet buzzing] 469 00:23:09,596 --> 00:23:10,430 [zapping] 470 00:23:10,514 --> 00:23:12,182 [upbeat music playing faintly] 471 00:23:12,265 --> 00:23:13,600 [computer] Good morning, Master. 472 00:23:13,683 --> 00:23:14,684 Master? 473 00:23:14,768 --> 00:23:15,769 Love that song. 474 00:23:15,852 --> 00:23:16,937 Still a good song. 475 00:23:17,020 --> 00:23:19,189 [computer stutters] Master... 476 00:23:20,190 --> 00:23:21,733 Let's see how my rose is doing. 477 00:23:21,817 --> 00:23:22,984 [indistinct pop music playing] 478 00:23:23,068 --> 00:23:27,656 -[screams] -[rats chattering] 479 00:23:37,249 --> 00:23:39,126 [gasps] Get out of here! Ooh! 480 00:23:39,209 --> 00:23:40,127 [grunting] 481 00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:43,130 It's a kind of cult. 482 00:23:43,964 --> 00:23:47,884 [upbeat music playing] 483 00:23:47,968 --> 00:23:51,638 [indistinct voices singing]